What does it really mean to give value, why does spending time with some people make you feel good regardless of whether they actually do anything which directly benefits you. What is it about some people that makes you feel drained after they leave. Why are some people always selfishly taking from others?
Giving value applies not just to us as PUAs in relation to what we give to girls. It also applies to wings as in what value they give to each other and to girls that interact with you.
One thing about value which a lot of PUAs don’t seem to be aware of is what it means to be a good wing. Bad wings can kill not only your state but also your ability to actually PU anyone. I’ve had a few experiences now where wings basically come out, watch you open a set, come in, AMOG you and then relentlessly pursue the hottest girl in the group. Chodes almost always have very bad, hugely selfish wings and it’s one of the reasons they don’t get laid!
I had one set last year go down like this:
Me: Hi guys. What’s up. Vibe Vibe Vibe.
Two minutes of conversation.
Girls: Where are you from, what’s your name, etc..
My ‘friend’ appears: (speaking overly loudly while invading my personal space, grabbing my shoulder hard while also shaking me slightly) Hey dude, it’s your round.. Get me a …
Basically this guy has learned that AMOG / Blowout game makes you look alpha.
Slight digression but naturals do this a lot, a recent example being a guy who said to a 3 set of mine last week “This guy’s a player I’ve seen him doing this with lots of other girls” Obviously this guy’s retarded and forgetting his intent, it’s not exactly a bad thing for him to say.
Anyway how to respond to something like that.
1. Either actively fight for the girls.. “Sorry dude, I’m talking”. Look alpha but also possibly cheap and like you don’t value your friends over the women.
2. Get the drink, allow the wing to loiter about, eventually take set and fuck it up.
I did number two at the time. Now I’d probably just ignore completely which after a few more of these I’ve found worked the best.
Getting back to the main point of this, giving value when your out with wings is that when you’re out with guys you should really feel you have a duty to help them as much as possible. If you don’t, go out alone.
Questions I now ask myself when winging.
How can I help my wings PU move more quickly.?
Will doing this help my wing get laid?
Now the wings I have at the moment are awesome, they generally DHV me to girls, and we work together to ‘own’ venues.
What I think some people need to become aware of is that:
a. Actively pursuing girls who your wing is into is counter productive, actively chatting up girls on behalf of your wing however is a great move and meets little or no resistance.
b. There are millions of women in the world and if you don’t personally know hot chicks who would date you, it’s basically your laziness and fear that’s the problem.
c. AMOG game is not something to unleash on ‘friends’ you are out with. Doing it is loser behaviour! Although it might well get you laid, do this on chodes if you must, provided you actually have the balls.
d. If you find yourself in a venue speaking to groups, involving your wing is always a good idea. If you have any doubts about that, get new wings.
e. Wings should be relentlessly pumping each others state.
f. Wings should be encouraging opening of all sets.
g. When out PUAs need to agree who’s into who early on and stick to it.
Re point a. Chatting up girls on behalf of your wing.
Let’s say your wing opens a set of ridiculously hot girls, chats for 10 mins, they laugh and really like him, he introduces you and you get chatting to the hottest one as frequently happens.
You could do the chode thing and attempt to chat her up yourself BUT if you instead start qualifying her on behalf of your wing, DHV him to her and start making her question whether she is good enough. “My wing is the one of the greatest guys I know”, “you’re not going to be one of those girlfriends who takes people away from their friends are you”, “so can you cook”, “are you good in bed”, “rich”, etc. etc. You not only make yourself seem very cool, you also are 20 times more likely to get in with this girl’s friends. When she inevitably pulls your wing, her mates will now be feeling social pressure to hook up with you.
Wings can either kill the whole thing or get you laid.
August 18th, 2008 at 4:00 am
Wow, just happened to come across this website/article while surfing the net.
Are you for real?
Is this how some men actually talk, think and behave?
(And they say women are manipulative!!!!)
Most importantly… do the men you are writing for actually understand the multitude of acronyms you are using? Maybe you could provide a handy referral guide for those who have no idea (but are slightly amused and appalled) about what an AMOG, chode, ’set’, PUA, DVA refers to! This will truly help men with their ‘game’.
uh huh.
My god, I truly hope that the men who talk to me at bars have more respect for my intelligence then resorting to using these sorts of sport/game/battle strategies.
Where is the respect?
(And just a little FYI, there’s no use blowing me off as an ugly bitter feminist who can’t get laid. I’m pretty hot, with brains to boot, and this kind of attitude towards women makes me CRINGE.)
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Hi,
This is my article so thanks for your comment.
I try not to use any more acronyms in my blog sebastianthenatural.blogspot.com but lets explain these for you..
AMOG: Alpha male of the group.. Basically the dominant guy who the girls are generally attracted to. This is the only one which I still think is ok to use..
Chode: a guy who is crap with women.
Set: Group of people.
PUA: Pick up artist
DVA: You mean DHV and it means demonstrate higher value.
Yes they are mostly lame. I agree..
Point is, when it comes to the average self centred guy who is bad with women, he has so few actual opportunities to get laid that he will sabotage his and his friends chances by actively trying to assert himself over his friends because he feels it will encourage the girls to like him.. This article is explaining that it’s misguided to do that and it makes him look like a looser.
Although some of my other posts could be categorised as highly manipulative and if you saw me teaching a guy how to pick up girls on a 1-2-1 you’d think the process was manipulative, this article is just about how to be a good friend to guys you go out to meet girls with. There’s nothing in it about manipulating girls reactions to you..
That stuff comes in other posts..
September 9th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Thanks looser….
or did you mean loser?