So – I’ve notice a weakness in in a lot of guys which I’ve sought to strengthen. It’s a common problem.
You open a set. Yippee. Then you try and have a chat with the girl, it goes nowhere, she excuses herself, buggers off. Sound familiar?
Well - I think I have broken down the necessary missing piece of the puzzle.
It’s really simple actually – people aren’t hooking their sets.
“Bah!” you say. “We know about hooking. It’s an old concept. You open, get to hook point, and then go on with the sarge, building comfort, qualifying etc… get the hell out of here with your hooking!!”
Ok, I hear ya. But HOW do you hook the set? A lot of guys KNOW what a hook point is – but they are nevertheless not hooking their sets! What qualities make it a solid hook? What do you talk about? What emotions should you be expressing? What should you be sub-communicating?”
What I’ve done is actually broken down my formula for the hook point.
So, how do you hook?
Well, let me introduce you to another word that you don’t often hear in the community.
Banter.
Yeah. Banter. Chit chat. Small talk. Yatter. THAT is really one of the key elements here.
If you open a girl with “Hey you’re hot, I just had to meet you, etc” then go straight into “so, where you from” you’re asking her to qualify herself to you straight away. Why would she do this? Who are you? Sure If you’re Brad Pitt, she would do it. If you’re wearing a $5000 suit, maybe. If you roll up with two underwear models by your sides, it might also work.
But, chances are, you’re just a regular Joe, not swimming around in oodles of cash at your seaside mansion. So – you need to demonstrate value early (immediately) and effectively so that she’ll stick around long enough for you to get to know her. Right?
Right.
So – Banter, byatches!! The key words after Banter are FUN. INTRIGUE or PASSION.
Something where you create DRAMA. Something so exciting that you actually PULL the girl into YOUR reality.
Now I want to be clear, this is NOT a DHV story!
You’re demonstrating that you’re a fun, passionate person. That you have personality – that you are excited about life. That you have pizzazz!! (wow, I’ve actually used the word pizzazz! Ha!)
When you put this across - you ARE showing higher value anyways – but I just wanted to differentiate between the classic mystery method idea of DHVing and what I’m trying to put across – which is really just being a fun person, interesting, passionate person…
So – what can/should your hook be? That’s the beauty. It can be absolutely anything. Something that happened to you that day is best, or that week. The more recent the better. Again if it’s fresh and exciting to YOU, it will be exciting to the girl. It can be something that happened to you ages ago – but preferably only if you’re a good actor. ; )
Okay some examples:
A classic
Hey you won’t believe what just happened! Some guy just grabbed my butt on the street!! I couldn’t believe it!! After I rejected him he wanted to buy me a DRINK! Can you believe that!! What do you girls do when that happens?
from one of my comedy routines
Hey! I just went to Burger King and I had to get a token to take a POO! How humiliating! Can you believe IT! There are a few things in this world I though I’d never have to pay for- and pooing is one of them!! (transition: “I know. I get pretty angry over the little things! Haha… so what drives YOU girls crazy??”
from a student the other day
I just told my boss to fuck off and got fired!! Aah! I’m a bum!! Are you looking to hire anyone? I give good backrubs. I can type 60 words a minute! I’ll do anything!! You look like you need a personal assistant!! I’ll do aaaaaaaanything!! Ok ok I’m kidding. You guys probably have crappy jobs anyways (haha) – what do u guys get up to??
one of mine based on a comedy routine
Hey guys!! Don’t go that way there’s Christians trying to convert people! They’re giving away free tea – but the price is, they try and sell you on Jesus! Don’t go!! Unless you love jesus already – then it’s ok, hehe! It’s so weird, the religious people follow me around EVERYWHERE!! Everywhere I go, they’re right behind me!! It’s like they’re stalking me!! You guys are cute, I’m sure you know what I’m talking about. ; )
It really, really can be anything – As long as:
You come in with high energy - not even necessarily HIGH energy. As long as you are enthusiastic! Enthusiasm is contagious. This works whether the set is high enery or low energy. If they are like totally chill, you want to have just a bit of a buzz around you. If they are excited, you can come in a bit excited. If you try and “out-excite” someone you may just freak them out. Remember: You’re not trying to impress them with your raw energy – you want to put across that you are really excited/outraged about something that has just happened! PASSION is the key word here!
As long as you’re having fun, and are genuinely interested about whatever you’re going on about, you should hook the set. After that, you just have to transition properly. So if they are into what you are saying, laughing etc all it takes is:
“hey, you guys have a sense of humour! I LOVE peeps with a sense of humour…you guys are my PEOPLE!! So, what’s shaking?
“Hey, you guys are cool! I love people who can appreciate the drama that is my life. Haha. So…. Anything crazy happened to you recently?”
And then you’re off to rapport building / qualification land
Remember: you’re trying to get their genuine attention, which is better than situational attention. I.E If you’re outraged at some crappy sandwich you bought (although this is situational) you can really be ranting about it – you can create drama – you got ripped off!! You paid for a shitty sandwich!!! By the way, the hook CAN be the opener. Sometimes I’ll just go right into whatever my drama is and that’s perfectly fine. This works really well, because it hooks them straight away - however, a purely situational opener such as “Hey! That’s the coolest dress I’ve ever seen, it’s awesome!” can crash and burn easily because the woman can just say “Hey, thanks!” and keep walking. Interaction over! But when you’re ranting excitedly over some thing, this or that – you’re actually trying to put something across that she doesn’t already know (i.e. that she has nice clothes, or that she’s HOT) so there’s a reason for her to stink around momentarily. Especially if she’s being entertained. Women LOVE to be entertained. Most of them are, in fact, BORED.
My daygame formula is this:
So the basic formula (for me) is the same, being this
OPEN – HOOK – COMFORT/RAPPORT/QUALIFICATION/ESCALATION – CLOSE
For simplicity’s sake, in this post I’ll assume CLOSE means # close. But by all means go for instant dates or even F closes but usually for daygame most guys in most spots are just after the girls #.
Now, don’t freak out because COMFORT/RAPPORT/QUALIFICATION/ESCALATION seems like a lot of shit to do. It’s not because you don’t HAVE to do all of that. You don’t always have to escalate. You don’t always have to build comfort/rapport. You don’t always have to qualify. Shit, you don’t even always have to attract. Probably you want to do one (preferably more) of those things or the girl will flake 90% of the time. But you CAN get to the hook point, do some banter, tell the girl she’s fun and # close. It’s just not going to be as solid as if you have a nice solid chat with her where you tell her some awesome/crazy story, qualify her a bit, then # close.
Now that I’ve actually had a few students I’ve trained in daygame I can tell very clearly where most guys are going wrong.
Most guys go straight from the OPEN to comfort! That conversation goes like this
PUA: Hey baby, you’re so cute, I had to come over and talk to you!
Girl: Aww that’s sweet! Hehe!
PUA: So, what’s your name? Where are you from?
Girl: Uhh, I’m really late – I gotta go.
Say bye bye.
What happened? Why girl say bye bye??
Because:
a) those are terrible afc things to say that every guy says and you seem an unoriginal sort of fellow – the woman is already bored
b) it feels like a pickup (worse, an unoriginal one)
c) Mainly – WHY is she going to answer your questions?? Who the fuck are you that she’s going to qualify herself to you? Or answer your queries? Is there an “I” over her head??
The other thing guys try and do is this
PUA: Hey baby, you’re so cute, I had to come over and talk to you!
Girl: Aww that’s sweet! Hehe!
PUA: So, can I get your number?
Eek!
Or “Hey, let’s get a drink some time”
Amazingly you will have SOME success with this. If the compliment is sincere and she thinks you’re cute, maaaaaaaaybe. Looks are much more of a factor in this, because it’s virtually all they have to go on. But it’s weak game.
Some guys will HOOK, and then go into AFC game
Where you from?
What’s your name?
What you doing in London?
Again – if you open well and hook well, you CAN get away with this. Yeah, you can get numbers. But it’s still weak.
Let’s look at the scary bit again:
COMFORT/RAPPORT/QUALIFICATION/ESCALATION
You’ve got to do SOME of that to get a solid #. A good story and just seeing what kind of music/movies she likes can be enough.
Unless you’re Casanova, then you can go from open to close (f close, even) but I’ll presume most people here aren’t dragging girlies home off the street.
Quick note:
Now there’s an element of sub communication but it’s not really critical. I’m only really starting to clue into sub communication myself- but when you’re hooking these sets what you’re sub communicating with your excitement is that you’re a PASSIONATE man. I mean if you’re creating this much FUN because you paid too much for a sandwich, how much fun would you be to go on a date/hang out with If you were going to go and do something that was actually interesting?
When you get this down, you really can hook every set, hard, fast and DEEP. You can have so much fun with a girl in one minute that her friends cannot DRAG them away from you.
Anywho I got a bit off topic as this post was meant to be just about hooking but- there you have it.
BANTER YOU FUCKERS
FUN
PASSION
INTRIGUE
You get me, blud?
Scene, innit.



August 12th, 2008 at 1:38 am
Fucking awesome!!
I read this last week and it has totally changed my game!! I used to just loose girls after the opener. Just a couple of small changes (I found some great stories to use) I’m coming in with higher energy/enthusiasm and the girls are loving it! I’ve got 3 hot dates coming up this week!! One of them is UNREAL!
AWESOME stuff!